On 07/06/2012 18:49, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote:
<snip>That is the theory, and how it was supposed to work in the old days. While it is true that the entities are changing into strange new things, "find" is not an entity. It is a behavior of the people, and based on the powerful new, and constantly changing capabilities of systems today, people are able to find things in an entire variety of ways that only the wildest science fiction writers could have imagined 30 years ago. As I said before, Google "the russian that killed the old pawnbroker" https://www.google.com/search?q=the+russian+that+killed+the+old+pawnbroker That information is nowhere in the bib record, nor does it need to be. It works, that is if you are looking for the novel Crime and Punishment, but if it is the name of some musical group, you may have a problem.
I think part of the problem is that James believes that FISO (find, intentify, select, obtain) applies only to "traditional access points of author, title, and subject".
Any element, big or small, belonging to any entity can be the target of these elementary tasks.
When people fill out any form, it's to provide bits of data so people can find the form, identify what's on the form, and do things with the data, such as select (which is the basis of limits and filters and other kinds of operations).
When James is saying entities are changing into all kinds of strange new things ("entirely new and never seen before") he's ignoring the main point -- just get the data you need so we can continue to do useful search and retrieval on these strange new things. As anyone who has set up a database will say -- design the system to get the job done, and that means deciding what data are important and what needs to be related to what.
I have seen a video where, "it's a book about Napoleon but I don't remember the author or title, only that it had a really neat green cover". You Google "napoleon book" go to images, click on the color green (you'll find it) and you get books about Napoleon with green bindings. This kind of search was a librarian's joke not that long ago. Now it can be done! https://www.google.com/search?q=napoleon+book&hl=en&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnsa&source=lnt&tbs=ic:specific,isc:green
The modern information agencies are collecting vast amounts of information about each person that even we don't know about ourselves, to use it to find things I am not even aware I am searching for. This is what Tim Berners-Lee's "mechanical agent" is all about. Whether I love it or hate it is irrelevant; it is happening now.
But we must see that it is something profoundly different from what we had before.